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Why Hinduism is subtly but surely atheistic…

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One of the much famed philosophical implications of the 20th Century is Kurt Goedel’s “Incompleteness theorem” . An implication of this logical proof is that even if the Universe was created by God….his existence is irrelevant to a closed system such as the Universe we live in. In other words, even if there was a God, his existence has no bearing on what occurs inside the Universe – by the definition that the Universe was created by God.

Today, I found indications that ancient Hindu text came very close to stating the same thing – albeit not in the same words. The Advaita philosophy, explained by Adi Shankara states the ” Kārya-kāraṇa ananyatva ” principle :

Ananyatve’pi kāryakāraṇayoḥ kāryasya kāraṇātmatvaṃ na tu kāraṇasya kāryātmatvaṃ”

Translated, it means : The effect is of the nature of the cause and not the cause the nature of the effect. Therefore the qualities of the effect cannot touch the cause.

Further, the Advaita vedanta states as an example : Jagat (the world) is not different from Brahman; however Brahman is different from Jagat.

Putting these two together, I think it could be inferred, that if a God is the cause of the World, the world might have qualities from God. But none of the actions or qualities in the World would have any effect on God. Thinking of this principle on the basic level of information transfer between the cause and the effect, it means that information will flow from Cause to Effect, but NOT from Effect to Cause.

Continuing the train of thought, if the World is an Effect of God’s actions, then information cannot flow from the World to God. In other words, even if there is a God, his existence is irrelevant to the World since nothing that happens in the World/Universe can reach or affect God ……

….a.k.a Goedel’s theorem.

So then, who’s praying ? 🙂


Written by Nash

November 8, 2007 at 9:13 am

Posted in Daily Updates

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  1. Let GOD think about all. We need to be in real world where people do good work eg. helping each other etc.

    We can’t even think/jydge about GOD.

    So better live real do real.
    See you again


    September 5, 2008 at 8:12 pm

  2. That unfortunately, is an entirely subjective opinion. If you have analytical thoughts to offer, I welcome them.


    September 5, 2008 at 10:12 pm

  3. You’re mixing Abrahamic & Dharmic views. Abrahamic views are of a God in which He resides in direct relation to his creation (& here ex nihilo). Dharmic views hold God as manifesting (compare ‘creating’) existence itself – we are God in some way. We can no more relate to God than yellow relates to color.

    For advaita all manifestation is God. Only in knowledge of this do we rid ourselves of such a distinction as ‘Brahman’, ‘jiva’, ‘jagat’. Furthermore, advaita does not appose bhakti but requires it of the sadhaka. Sri Madhusudana Saraswati, Sri Samartha Ramdas, Sri Ramakrishna, & Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj are just a few to name.

    ‘Atheism’ is as ill-defined as they come. If by ‘atheism’ you mean ‘I believe there is no god’, that would encompass a slew of adherents. But that would make Jainism, Buddhism, etc. atheistic. Atheism is predominantly championed by Western secularism, & they abhor anything they view as magic mumbo-jumbo (i.e. anything dharmic).

    There is to broad (and sweeping) a definition to describe atheism, but it tends toward dividing the world into non-believers and believers (compare to believers and unbelievers) – advaita does not lead the sadhaka to establishing strong dualism! Such funny qualifiers as ‘atheistic advaita’ or ‘rational buddhism’ – these are mere vrittis! There are no differences as there is no difference: brahman satyam jagat mithya.


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